His comments reminded me of Sajid David's "So what " tweet answering concerns about high levels of ethnicity in our major cities.
You're in our country you need to speak English, if nothing else it's Health & Safety.
Dale has form he was particularly nasty to Natasha Hausdorff, the brilliantly forensic Jewish barrister (As was Piers Morgan on his non-show but he's not human !).
Canada has been French-English bilingual for decades, we learn both in school, all federal govt info is printed and spoken in both, to work for the federal govt one must speak both. We all know this, yet it still causes problems. The UK would be looking at numerous languages, and more dialects…No!
English only so everyone knows and understands and if they won’t comply, no tax-payer funded translators.
Language isn’t just about day to day communication, it’s the way a people transmits its cultural values and norms too; it’s rich literature, it’s history etc.
Not being able to participate in public life is a huge disadvantage and creates isolation and inward looking communities, which in turn makes them vulnerable to the views of ‘community leaders’ in navigating their way through our institutions.
It’s a way of keeping people subjugated to the whims and diktats of those ‘community leaders’ and is a kind of mental shackle.
English speaking children run rings around non English speaking parents, who cannot interact with their children’s schools and teachers and monitor their children’s learning.
It’s a retrograde step to allow people to avoid learning the language of their host country and I’m staggered that anyone could think it racist to ask for people living here to speak our language. On the contrary, isn’t it a form of racism to deliberately exclude them from the wider society?
Back in the 70s and 80s educators deemed it unnecessary to teach our native English children the grammatical elements of our language such as punctuation and spelling, in case it stunted the poor loves’ imaginations and instilled a feeling of inferiority in those unable to master such skills. Each generation of teacher since has had fewer correct skills to pass on to their pupils. The situation can only get worse.
Agreed. By all means maintain your own language and pass it on to your children, but English is needed to function in the UK. I’ve heard Andrew G say this before and likewise I’m critical of British people in Spain who don’t bother learning Spanish (I have a couple in my own family!). When I worked in Japan for 18 months I did my best to learn what I could. I made plenty of mistakes, but the effort was appreciated. We should expect the same here.
Every country should specify the languages that are acceptable. They should be the country's home language and one, perhaps two, that support the country's culture and this includes business culture and no more. Otherwise, language which is always tied to culture, overwhelms the home culture.
Language is vital also as a means of transmitting culture, and for integration. There is a saying that you become a different person when you speak a different language. Having lived in several different countries, and – like Andrew – gone to the trouble of learning the language, I know there is a lot of truth in this.
What I don't understand is why we don't make learning the language a condition of remaining here, or getting a visa. Many other countries insist on a level of spoken language for all adult family members, and compel non-nationals to take classes, or else have visas revoked. I would also abolish official translation services – again, a lot of other countries expect you to speak the language if you wish to use public services. Community groups could step up to fill the gap, in extremis – but the state should not be funding translation services either for foreign nationals living here, or for British people who won't speak English... just as I never expected official translation services in any of the other countries in which I have lived.
It's all part of the deliberate murder of Britain: https://open.substack.com/pub/theroadmoretravelled/p/the-murder-of-britain-22f?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=noz69. They hate our country, language and culture - so they destroy them, piece by piece, cut by tiny cut. Until all concept of distinctive nationhood is lost. Of course, if there weren't so many immigrants in the first place, it wouldn't be an issue. That is the main weapon being exercised against us. The erosion of our language, though utterly ruinous, is just a symptom.
Zero translation services paid for by the public purse (directly or indirectly). If people want to form a NGO to provide those services, do it out of their own pockets not mine. We provide education for free. Go to school and learn the language. Too old for free education? Should have thought about that and made some effort on the way. Again, NGOs can provide these services. Not the state, especially while we dont have enough teachers, teaching assistants, people are surviving by going to food banks etc. Etc.
This is just plain common sense. A commodity which has been sacrificed on the altar of the failed multicultural experiment that is Britain today.
Winston, Absolutely agree.
Our country so our rules.
His comments reminded me of Sajid David's "So what " tweet answering concerns about high levels of ethnicity in our major cities.
You're in our country you need to speak English, if nothing else it's Health & Safety.
Dale has form he was particularly nasty to Natasha Hausdorff, the brilliantly forensic Jewish barrister (As was Piers Morgan on his non-show but he's not human !).
Keep it up with the great material, you rock !
Canada has been French-English bilingual for decades, we learn both in school, all federal govt info is printed and spoken in both, to work for the federal govt one must speak both. We all know this, yet it still causes problems. The UK would be looking at numerous languages, and more dialects…No!
English only so everyone knows and understands and if they won’t comply, no tax-payer funded translators.
Language isn’t just about day to day communication, it’s the way a people transmits its cultural values and norms too; it’s rich literature, it’s history etc.
Not being able to participate in public life is a huge disadvantage and creates isolation and inward looking communities, which in turn makes them vulnerable to the views of ‘community leaders’ in navigating their way through our institutions.
It’s a way of keeping people subjugated to the whims and diktats of those ‘community leaders’ and is a kind of mental shackle.
English speaking children run rings around non English speaking parents, who cannot interact with their children’s schools and teachers and monitor their children’s learning.
It’s a retrograde step to allow people to avoid learning the language of their host country and I’m staggered that anyone could think it racist to ask for people living here to speak our language. On the contrary, isn’t it a form of racism to deliberately exclude them from the wider society?
Fabulous Winston as always, and a cheer for Andrew Gold too, his shows are always worth a watch.
Back in the 70s and 80s educators deemed it unnecessary to teach our native English children the grammatical elements of our language such as punctuation and spelling, in case it stunted the poor loves’ imaginations and instilled a feeling of inferiority in those unable to master such skills. Each generation of teacher since has had fewer correct skills to pass on to their pupils. The situation can only get worse.
Agreed. By all means maintain your own language and pass it on to your children, but English is needed to function in the UK. I’ve heard Andrew G say this before and likewise I’m critical of British people in Spain who don’t bother learning Spanish (I have a couple in my own family!). When I worked in Japan for 18 months I did my best to learn what I could. I made plenty of mistakes, but the effort was appreciated. We should expect the same here.
Every country should specify the languages that are acceptable. They should be the country's home language and one, perhaps two, that support the country's culture and this includes business culture and no more. Otherwise, language which is always tied to culture, overwhelms the home culture.
Alkahu Akbar doesn't mean God is Great, that would be Allahu Kabir or Allahu Atheem.
Allahu Akbar means Allah is the Greatest.
Language is vital also as a means of transmitting culture, and for integration. There is a saying that you become a different person when you speak a different language. Having lived in several different countries, and – like Andrew – gone to the trouble of learning the language, I know there is a lot of truth in this.
What I don't understand is why we don't make learning the language a condition of remaining here, or getting a visa. Many other countries insist on a level of spoken language for all adult family members, and compel non-nationals to take classes, or else have visas revoked. I would also abolish official translation services – again, a lot of other countries expect you to speak the language if you wish to use public services. Community groups could step up to fill the gap, in extremis – but the state should not be funding translation services either for foreign nationals living here, or for British people who won't speak English... just as I never expected official translation services in any of the other countries in which I have lived.
It’s not sustainable.
It's all part of the deliberate murder of Britain: https://open.substack.com/pub/theroadmoretravelled/p/the-murder-of-britain-22f?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=noz69. They hate our country, language and culture - so they destroy them, piece by piece, cut by tiny cut. Until all concept of distinctive nationhood is lost. Of course, if there weren't so many immigrants in the first place, it wouldn't be an issue. That is the main weapon being exercised against us. The erosion of our language, though utterly ruinous, is just a symptom.
The leadership destroys Britain like the orher in western Europe
Zero translation services paid for by the public purse (directly or indirectly). If people want to form a NGO to provide those services, do it out of their own pockets not mine. We provide education for free. Go to school and learn the language. Too old for free education? Should have thought about that and made some effort on the way. Again, NGOs can provide these services. Not the state, especially while we dont have enough teachers, teaching assistants, people are surviving by going to food banks etc. Etc.
A minor point of order.
Southall and Whitechapel stations have been multilingual for at least 35 years.
It's nothing new and evidence of not very much at all.